I’m not really sure why this is suddenly in the news…
We have good friends who ended up leaving their long time church when one of the new pastors started promoting this theology.…but that was years ago.
I just have to post up links to this debate…and I’ve just begun listening also to a Chris Pinto Podcast that ties this line of thinking back to the modern revisions of the Bible.
Francis Turretin stated the following in his Institutes of Elenctic Theology:
Thus the infinite demerit of sin is visited as it were with a punishment infinite in duration. And on this account the more justly, that as he will never cease to sin against God, so neither to be punished by him. The guilt of fault will always remain and not be extinguished by any expiation because no place will be given against the Judge and will curse him in the midst of the flames. Thus the wrath of God, the most just avenger of crimes, will rest upon them for ever. (20.7.11)
Because the debt of sin is so profound, it requires an eternal punishment owed to an eternal God. The sinner will never be without guilt so he will forever require punishment.
Kirk Cameron’s Hellgate Debate
Here is the podcast link…
Today’s Show: THE DOCTRINE OF HELL – 01.28.2026
Chris discusses some of the controversies surrounding the doctrine of Hell … and whether or not the suffering of the wicked is eternal … or temporary. We consider some of the comments made by Kirk Cameron on the teachings of Annihilationism and whether there is any Biblical basis for such an idea. Further we consider how the traditional teachings about Hell have been questioned since the Westcott and Hort Revision of 1881, where the Anglo Saxon word “hell” was exchanged for the untranslated Hebrew word “Sheol.” In 1910, a scholar and minister named George Sayles Bishop warned that if the word “hell” was removed from the Old Testament, it would weaken its credibility in the New Testament, and ultimately undermine the Gospel message.
For those inclined to look more in the Bible Revision history I suggest getting a taste with the previous Podcast.
Today’s Show: THE LAST TWELVE VERSES OF MARK – 01.20.2026
Chris examines the centuries old controversy over the Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark. Many modern critics believe Mark’s gospel should end at chapter 16 and verse 8 … yet the overwhelming majority of Biblical manuscripts throughout history have always contained the longer ending. There are just two … Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus that contain the shorter ending. It is common to say that these are the most ancient (fourth century) and the most reliable. But is that really the case? Where did these manuscripts come from, and why did they have no impact on New Testament scholarship until the late 19th century? Also, did the early church accept the last 12 verses? What did most early church fathers believe? We discuss!
Beware there are commercials in the Podcasts but his series on the Bible in three parts is available on Amazon Prime.
Look for the first one:
A LAMP IN THE DARK: The Untold History of the Bible
I’m not sure why it says Part II it’s really the first.
It’s a bit repetitive and overly dramatic…but tells the background….each of the three gets progressive better.
And there are some follow on videos, and a new one being worked on.
BTW I also just purchased what I hope is a great book on Bible Preservation…if won’t be here until later in February.
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