I felt encouraged to read closely and pay attention to Mike’s message today…. Some of these are directly inline with some thinking I’m currently working on through…
“Some “evangelical leaders” in our time will tell you that transformation is actually part of the gospel and that the evidence of salvation is how busy a person is in “working in church ministry. No where in God’s Word is transformation given as part of the Gospel. The Gospel is based in who Jesus Christ is and what He has done to be the propitiation for the elect.” All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, including the elect. No one is able to do any work of any kind to deserve or earn salvation, that is, justification. However in Ephesians 1:3-23; Ephesians 2:1-10, the Apostle Paul gives us God’s solution. Notice that nowhere in these passages is the transformed life mentioned as part of being justified. Yes, Paul mentioned in Ephesians 2 that Faith was a gift and that tells us that it is a product of regeneration, and that God saves us unto good works, but that is not the same thing. Paul tells us more about the transformed life in Romans 12:1-2. Notice that this is talking about spiritual growth after salvation and is not part of our justification at all, but is part of our sanctification process. Notice also who is in control of this process. Is it a local church or a ministry or is it God?”
“Real Christian transformation is not getting busy in church work, but is living one’s life growing in faith and Christlikeness as we have seen here. It is God directed and in most cases, it involves a great deal of tests and trials of faith. I pray you see the difference. It can never be replaced with “works righteousness” or “self-righteousness.”
There are many in the Lordship Salvation camp who would say that much of what I shared here would be antinomianism. That is, “Where are your works that prove your salvation?” I would counter with, “My best works are as filthy rags. The righteousness that holds me in Christ is His which was imputed to me when I was Justified.” Please do not fall into the trap of believing that “works” prove in any way the free gift of salvation you have received by grace through faith as God’s gift.”
Personally it seems to me that when the church does all it can to spin the Missional Message, it comes out as almost coercive, or making one feel guilty with the constant emphasis on who has done what, and where, and calls for more service opportunities and the giving of more money to the vision of the church…sorry all that seem a bit negative. I prefer the pastor to teach the word of God the Bible throughly and systematically verse by verse and let the Spirit enlightening the Word and encouraging our hearts to where God is leading. I get much encouragement in listening to Pastor Ganger teach, or reading Mike Ratliff’s posts or old sermons from Dr. SLJ and Dr. MLJ, or even Dr. SD’s work, and of course reading the old KJV and John Gill’s commentary.
Here’s the link to Mike’s own post and some the threads I captured thinking about it.
I need to search for it again but I just this week, read/hear and text that pretty clearly said in Paul’s words much the same thing as Peter and James described about works and faith. (If I find it again I will pass it on in the comments)
2 Peter 1:1-3 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: (KJV)
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (KJV)
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (KJV)
A BIT OF JOHN GILLS COMMENT ON 2PE 1:5
Where there is true faith in Christ, there should be a holy boldness to profess it, and constancy in it, and courage to fight the good fight of faith, and firmness of mind to stand fast in it, notwithstanding all difficulties and discouragements;
or virtue in general here meant, not mere moral, but Christian virtues, which are the fruits of the Spirit of God, and of his grace; and differ from the other, in that they spring from the grace of God, are done in faith, by the assistance of the Spirit of Christ, and by strength received from him, and in love to him, and with a view to the glory of God; whereas moral virtues, as exercised by a mere moral man, spring from nature, and are performed by the mere strength of it, and are destitute of faith, and so but “splendida peccata”, splendid sins, and proceed from self-love, from sinister ends, and with selfish views:
I WILL PUT IT ALL IN THE COMMENTS…
From the Westminster…
Confession of Faith
6. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men. Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word: and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed.
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Full John Gill comment:
2 Peter 1:5
And besides this, giving all diligence,…. “Or upon this”, as the Syriac and Arabic versions read, bestow all your labour, diligence, and care; namely, on what follows, and that from the consideration of what goes before; for nothing can more strongly animate, and engage to the diligent exercise of grace and discharge of duty, than a consideration of the high favours, and free grace gifts of God, and the exceeding great and precious promises of his Gospel:
add to your faith virtue; or “with your faith”, so the Arabic version renders it, and the like, in the following clauses. They had faith, even like precious faith with the apostles, not of themselves, but by the gift of God, and which is the first and principal grace; it leads the van, or rather the “chorus”, as the word rendered “add” signifies; and though it is in itself imperfect, has many things lacking in it, yet it cannot be added to, or increased by men; ministers may be a means of perfecting what is lacking in it, and of the furtherance and joy of it, but it is the Lord only that can increase it, or add unto it in that sense, and which is not the meaning here: but the sense is, that as it is the basis and foundation of all good works, it should not stand alone, there ought to be virtue, or good works along with it, by which it may be perfected, not essentially, but evidentially, or might appear to be true and genuine; for by virtue may be either meant some particular virtue, as justice towards men, to which both the grace and doctrine of faith direct; and indeed pretensions to faith in Christ, where there is not common justice done to men, are of little account; or, as others think, beneficence to men; and so the Ethiopic version renders it, “proceed to bounty by your faith”; and faith does work by love and kindness to fellow creatures and Christians; but this seems rather designed by brotherly kindness and charity, in 2Pe 1:7 or boldness, courage, constancy, and fortitude, which ought to go along with faith. Where there is true faith in Christ, there should be a holy boldness to profess it, and constancy in it, and courage to fight the good fight of faith, and firmness of mind to stand fast in it, notwithstanding all difficulties and discouragements; or virtue in general here meant, not mere moral, but Christian virtues, which are the fruits of the Spirit of God, and of his grace; and differ from the other, in that they spring from the grace of God, are done in faith, by the assistance of the Spirit of Christ, and by strength received from him, and in love to him, and with a view to the glory of God; whereas moral virtues, as exercised by a mere moral man, spring from nature, and are performed by the mere strength of it, and are destitute of faith, and so but “splendida peccata”, splendid sins, and proceed from self-love, from sinister ends, and with selfish views:
and to virtue, knowledge; not of Christ, mentioned 2Pe 1:8 and which is included in faith, for there can be no true faith in Christ, were there not knowledge of him; but of the will of God, which it is necessary men should be acquainted with, in order to perform it; or else though they may seem zealous of good works, their zeal will not be according to knowledge; they ought to know what are virtues or good works in God’s account, and what are the nature and use of them, lest they should mistake and misapply them; or of the Scriptures of truth, and of the mysteries of the Gospel, which should be diligently searched, for the increase and improvement of knowledge in divine things, and which has a considerable influence on a just, sober, and godly living; or by knowledge may be meant prudence and wisdom, in ordering the external conversation aright towards those that are without, and in showing good works out of it, to others, by way of example, and for the evidence of the truth of things, with meekness of wisdom.
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WCF OPC versions Of Good Works
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Interesting ChatGPT response to looking up questions about consistency of Faith and Works teaching of Paul, Peter, and James. This is not exactly what I was looking for but seems pretty reformed and worth sharing… I also included the suggestion to quote some of the earlier Reformers.
It is a bit long and repeats itself a bit.
Absolutely — and thank you for asking for the KJV specifically. Using the King James Bible actually makes Paul’s harmony with James even clearer, because of the way the KJV preserves purpose and result language.
Below is the same argument, fully redone with KJV quotations only, keeping the proper order: faith alone justifies, but justifying faith always produces works.
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“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
Paul’s order is unmistakable
1. Saved by grace through faith
2. Not of works
3. Saved unto good works
James says faith without works is dead.
Paul says saving faith walks in works God ordained.
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“Who will render to every man according to his deeds:”
“To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:”
“For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.”
Paul is not contradicting Romans 3–4.
He is stating the principle of final judgment: true righteousness is demonstrated, not merely claimed.
This aligns directly with:
• James 2:24 — “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”
• 1 Peter 1:17
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“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.”
“But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.”
“Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
Paul flatly rejects the idea that faith can exist without a transformed life.
That is James’s argument in doctrinal form.
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“God sending his own Son… condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
Christ fulfills the law for us
So that the law is fulfilled in us
This is Spirit-wrought obedience, not legalism.
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“For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.”
Paul literally defines saving faith as faith that works.
James: “I will shew thee my faith by my works.”Paul: Faith worketh by love.
Same truth. Different voice.
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“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly…”
“Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
Grace does not excuse sin.
Grace teaches obedience and produces zeal for good works.
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“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us…”
“This is a faithful saying… that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works.”
Paul commands pastors to affirm constantly that believers must maintain good works.
That is not optional Christianity.
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“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
Works do not save — but they will be evaluated.
James and Paul agree: faith is proven by life.
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Final Summary (KJV language)
Paul teaches:
• Justification is by faith without works (Rom 3–4)
• But justifying faith always produces obedience (Rom 6, Gal 5, Titus)
• Good works are the ordained fruit of salvation (Eph 2:10)
• Judgment will reveal the reality of faith (Rom 2; 2 Cor 5)
Or in old Reformation language:
We are justified by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone.
If you’d like, I can next:
• Lay Paul and James side-by-side verse for verse (KJV)
• Show how Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon, and Lloyd-Jones explained this
• Or address modern antinomian / “free grace” errors using Paul himself
Just tell me where you want to go next.
Love this direction. What you’re asking for is exactly how the mainstream Reformation and evangelical tradition has always read Paul and James together—without softening either.
Below is a clear, historically grounded summary of Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon, and Martyn Lloyd-Jones, showing how they harmonize faith and works, with KJV Scripture anchoring the theology.
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(Often misrepresented — but actually very strong on good works)
Luther fiercely defended justification by faith alone, yet just as fiercely rejected a faith that produces no obedience.
Luther’s explanation
“We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.”
Though the wording is paraphrased, the idea appears constantly in his writings.
In his Preface to Romans, Luther writes:
“O it is a living, busy, active, mighty thing, this faith. It is impossible for it not to be doing good works incessantly.”
Luther on James
Luther initially struggled with James because he feared abuse by Rome—but later clarified:
“James is speaking of works after faith, not of works instead of faith.”
KJV Scripture Luther leaned on
Romans 3:28 (KJV)
“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
AND
Galatians 5:6 (KJV)
“But faith which worketh by love.”
Luther never denied works—he denied works as the ground of justification.
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(The clearest and most precise harmonizer)
Calvin may be the best guide on Paul + James.
Calvin’s core principle
“It is therefore faith alone which justifies, and yet the faith which justifies is not alone.”
Calvin on James 2
Calvin explicitly states:
“James does not dispute with Paul about the cause of justification, but shows that those who boast of faith without works have no true faith.”
In other words:
• Paul speaks of how sinners are justified before God
• James speaks of how faith is proved genuine before men
Calvin anchored this in KJV Scripture
Ephesians 2:8–10 (KJV)
“For by grace are ye saved through faith…
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works…”
Calvin repeatedly emphasized union with Christ:
Romans 6:22 (KJV)
“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness…”
No fruit = no union = no saving faith.
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(The preacher who demolished “easy-believism”)
Spurgeon is devastatingly clear.
Spurgeon’s famous statement
“The faith which saves is not a dead faith, but a living, working faith.”
Or even sharper:
“If there be no change, there is no faith.”
Spurgeon explicitly cited James AND Paul
“We are not saved by works, but we are saved unto works.”
That’s straight from:
Ephesians 2:10 (KJV)
“Created in Christ Jesus unto good works…”
Spurgeon on antinomianism
“Christ did not come to save us in our sins, but from our sins.”
Anchored in:
Titus 2:14 (KJV)
“Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
Spurgeon openly said a professed faith that does not obey Christ is presumption, not faith.
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(The great 20th-century Pauline expositor)
Lloyd-Jones preached Romans verse-by-verse for over a decade. His handling of Romans 6 and James 2 is legendary.
Lloyd-Jones’ key test
“If your doctrine of justification by faith alone does not lead to the question, ‘Shall we continue in sin?’, you have not understood Paul.”
That question comes from:
Romans 6:1 (KJV)
“Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?”
And Paul’s answer:
“God forbid.”
Lloyd-Jones’ conclusion
“A faith that does not produce holiness is not New Testament faith.”
He repeatedly emphasized:
Romans 8:4 (KJV)
“That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
Lloyd-Jones insisted that sanctification inevitably flows from justification.
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Unified Reformation Summary (All Four Agree)
All four men taught:
Romans 4:5 (KJV)
“To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
Romans 6:17–18 (KJV)
“Ye have obeyed from the heart… Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
James 2:18 (KJV)
“I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
2 Corinthians 5:10 (KJV)
“According to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
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Final Reformation Formula (in plain terms)
• Faith alone justifies
• But the faith that justifies never remains alone
• Works do not save
• But salvation always works
If you want next, I can:
• Line this up against modern “Free Grace” theology
• Show how this answers antinomianism AND legalism
• Or walk through James 2 verse-by-verse in KJV with Paul alongside
Just say the word.
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